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How strong are Pui Pui and Yakon?
Topic Started: May 9 2014, 03:49 AM (6,576 Views)
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May 19 2014, 03:53 PM
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May 19 2014, 02:21 PM
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May 19 2014, 12:35 PM
What proof do we have that base Saiyans have reached Freeza, if anything is more likely the opposite way also about the latest revelations.
-The fact Base Kids were on par with #18.
-The fact Kaioshin stated he would most likely lose in a fight with a Base Goku and Kaioshin stated he could oneshot Frieza.
-The fact Kaioshin was afraid to fight Yakon in one on one and yet Base Goku prove to be a match for him.

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Kaiohshin after the death of Kibito becomes super cautious , concerned that the injuries sustained by him and saiyans can awaken Buu , the deity could very well face Yakon before they are transported to the darkness's planet.

You forgot that Goku at 25 budokai when meets Kaiohshin says immediatly can't win without SSJ stage , and after Piccolo informs us that Kaioshin is by far superior to him , therefore Kaiohshin >>>>> Base Saiyans

Proof that Kaioshin become "super cautious", and IIRC Yakon did get a shot on Goku.

I don't remember Goku saying such a thing, I do remeber though Kaioshin saying he will most likely lose to Goku, and Vegeta was confident he could take the Budokai WITH Piccolo on it.
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May 9 2014, 11:39 AM
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May 9 2014, 11:24 AM
Kaioshin referred to frieza's first form
Nothing hints at this.

Why would he talk about Freeza's First Form? Kaioshin is an overseer of the entire universe and has been for a long time. Kaioshin was aware of Freeza and since his final form is his true original form, Kaioshin should know about it.
Freeza walked around his first form all the time, never saw the need to transform until the fight with Goku and the others. Kaioshin didn't know the extent of the Sayians powers, so it's not like he's privy to everything.

I have Pui Pui above 1st form Freeza, and Yakon decently above max Freeza
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1st Form Freeza is not relevant to AT at this point in the series.
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May 19 2014, 03:20 PM
I can't prove it, but I can show indications:

Whenever he estimates and opponent during the Babidi Saga, it always comes down to Babidi and his magic. Not once does he actually comment on Pocus' strength. He does note that he might have underestimated the saiyans, but this doesn't have to mean they are above him.

But when is magic mentioned when the Base Saiyans were fighting Pocus. I asked if you have a proof of Kaioshin being stronger than BS , you bring up Babidi's magic.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P13.3
Context: after Vegeta kills Pui-Pui
Kaioshin: “Th-that can’t be…Th-they’re this [strong]…”

Kaioshin can't believe his eyes that Vegeta beated Pocus all by himself. He admits it all by himself.
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May 19 2014, 03:20 PM
When it comes to Yakon, he clearly hasn't met the best before, so it's safe to assume he's estimating out of reputation. While this doesn't prove that Kaioshin is stronger than Base Saiyans, it doesn't prove that he's below them either.

Like I said, it all boils down to Babidi's magic.

Kaioshin is shetting on his pants when Goku fights Yakon along , he wants to fight together , and saw how Yakon was almost on par against Base Goku. There is already a statement of Kaioshin admitting inferiority to Goku before he knew about him turning into a SSJ , otherwise he wouldn't be surprised at Vegeta's power (this contradict Kaioshin knowing about Goku and Vegeta's powers).

Kaioshin himself is a huge mess , but what is writting in a story should get followed by and not a paperwork that is written 20 years later (BoG)
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Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)
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May 19 2014, 09:44 PM
You say a, I say b.

Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)

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May 19 2014, 09:45 PM
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May 19 2014, 09:44 PM
You say a, I say b.

Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)

I'm sure one day you will follow a too.

See this as a historic discussion.
Depends if AT comes out with any more information. My pov will not change unless that happens.
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May 19 2014, 09:44 PM
You say a, I say b.

Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)

I'm sure one day you will follow a too.

See this as a historic discussion.
Depends if AT comes out with any more information. My pov will not change unless that happens.
I'd like to make a bet on that.

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May 19 2014, 09:44 PM
You say a, I say b.

Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)

I'm sure one day you will follow a too.

See this as a historic discussion.
Depends if AT comes out with any more information. My pov will not change unless that happens.
I'd like to make a bet on that.

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May 19 2014, 09:44 PM
You say a, I say b.

Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)

I'm sure one day you will follow a too.

See this as a historic discussion.
Depends if AT comes out with any more information. My pov will not change unless that happens.
I'd like to make a bet on that.

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I'm saying I'll spend the next year convincing you otherwise.

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May 19 2014, 09:45 PM
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May 19 2014, 09:44 PM
You say a, I say b.

Let's agree to disagree. I'm done with this subject for now :)

I'm sure one day you will follow a too.

See this as a historic discussion.
Depends if AT comes out with any more information. My pov will not change unless that happens.
I'd like to make a bet on that.

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Are you saying I'm indecisive? :o_O:
I'm saying I'll spend the next year convincing you otherwise.

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